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Lots of serial killers and serial rapists start with stalking anonymous people, ransacking, and taking small trophies pictures in this case.

The crazy thing about all of this is that I have been a huge reader of the True Crime genre for like thirty years. Read all of Ann Rule and many other authors.

Read several books by FBI profilers as well. He doesnt see her as prey necessarily. Stop assuming. OP talk to him about it and ask him why he feels the need to do this.

A few women I work with are always talking about cute young guys at the office and take snaps of them secretly to show their friends.

Are they gateway rapists too? Taking a pic of an individual without consent is the issue here and the problem.

Do not gender label shit. A woman is just as guilty as a man. Pretty fucked up. Well get this! One of the girls said she is gonna keep it in case "her boyfriend doesnt make her come tonight".

This happened to me as well. I begged him to stop and go for help and he always fought back. Please seek emotional help for yourself in this process.

It will help you survive the trauma. Wow, good for you for leaving. This came out of left field. Men have similar issues when they have porn addictions or things like that.

I definitely understand the numb feeling! My ex said that he felt his habit was leading him to that place as well.

Take one day at a time and continue to put yourself first. Feel free to msg me at any time if you need.

The creepshots along with rampant alcoholism is more than enough reason to leave him and I would suggest doing so. He sounds like he has a lot of issues that he isn't addressing and that's on him.

It doesn't have to be on you. Like everyone's saying.. He doesn't care about consent, as long as he gets what he wants to get off to.

I wouldn't just dismiss this as a fetish or just something "weird" to make yourself okay with it. He's actively involving other people in his fetish without their knowledge or consent and has been for a long time.

Of course he knows better, it's why he denied it at first. He knows what he's doing is completely fucked up but he doesn't care because he would prefer to jerk off to it than treat people with a minimum level of decency.

As for advice? I think for myself it would be a somewhat easy decision to leave him because I'd never be able to look at him the same.

I wouldn't and couldn't be in a relationship with somebody that's both a sexual predator and a liar, plus he's an alcoholic who trashes your home and won't seek treatment.

Imagine how awful it would be for any children that they might have together. God, the thought of my kids being raised by an alcoholic sexual predator would be enough to make me leave.

This is literally predatory behavior, and he gets off on the nonconsent aspect, otherwise he could easily find pictures of women online or he could ask you for sexy pictures.

Honestly, the other part that really stuck out to me, was him fishing to know exactly which pictures she had found.

That makes me wonder what other, potentially worse, pictures he may have on his protected computer. The whole situation makes me sick to my stomach.

From what I read up on the many different stories similar to yours, he won't see that he is. I would seriously leave him. He doesn't respect you or any other women on the sole fact he decided to take photos without your and their consent.

Very interested if you could point me towards stories similar to mine. I can't find too much. Heres a couple i could find straight away from reddit.

It does happen a lot. Im sure there are more out there, but here is a couple. It's not your job to show him. That's something only a good therapist could do, and even then that might not be possible.

You job is to get away from him and never, ever bring children into this relationship. For you and your kids safety I think you should strongly consider leaving him.

I agree with others saying that you should talk with a lawyer. I would find this to be a very serious warning sign of something this man is doing that is deranged.

Serial killers and serial rapists are often found to have similar backgrounds and home lives. There are always warning signs.

Don't just leave him, report it to appropriate authorities, and then immediately separate yourself from him.

I'm sorry, I know it's not just as simple as divorcing him. But seriously, this combined with the drinking..

Sounds like he has tons of issues that couldn't be fixed by couples counseling. He needs individual counseling, and it would take years to work through the types of issues he must have.

Life is too short to spend it with someone like this. Of course, there used to be whole subreddits for that sort of thing on this very site.

Bottom line, your husband is a sexual predator, and you need to warn your neighbors about him and get away from there, asap.

Thanks for the reply. I knew there was a thing of creepshots but I thought they were of scantly clad women or zoomed in shots of private parts.

No, they're shots of women, often upskirts, taken without the woman's knowledge or consent, and that lack of consent is what's thrilling.

Warn the neighbors about what? He hasn't committed any obvious crimes yet, so telling the community about him taking pictures of them in public -- while creepy -- could cause an absolute panic and, probably, enough fear of and anger toward him that both their lives may be irreparably damaged.

The response should not made lightly or in haste. When the op said "creepshots" I assumed she meant the sort of thing that was posted in the subreddit that used to exist here, ie, stuff that clearly violated those women's expectations of privacy even though they were fully dressed.

I consider taking those sorts of pics sexual assault, and I'd want to know if my neighbor were taking those sorts of things so I could avoid him at all costs.

Seriously, warn the neighbors? To your knowledge, did the subreddit contain pictures of women fully clothed? If someone was taking photos of me, even fully clothed, without my consent I would want to know.

And I would want it to stop. Just saying. Everyone saying he's doing no harm because they're not dirty pics If my creepy neighbor was taking photos of me, I'd want to know so I could at least avoid being outside while he was, and not wave at him, blissfully unaware that he was stalking me and snapping pics while I was weeding my garden.

To everyone defending this guy: would you feel the same way if he was taking pictures of children? Would your argument still be "but they're clothed!

They're in public! And the fact that he's preying on adults instead of minors doesn't magically make his actions ok. If I found out that someone was sneaking in photos of me, even if it doesn't seem sexual, to be used for their fap stuff or even just in general I would be extremely scared for my safety.

I have dealt with harassment and stalking before and although I seem to be more confident in dealing with it, I still get extremely scared and feel very much less safe.

I know a guy ex friend who had a whole history of secretly filming women in the streets. He would follow them in some cases and film them.

Then he progressed to filming himself masturbating at his window as they passed by unawares. He was eventually seen, had his computer searched and is now out on a licence from prison, where he's considered to be a danger to women and not allowed to be alone with one.

So your husband's behaviour set all my teeth on edge. It's not okay and might progress if he wants bigger kicks. Some of the pictures I saw were of the bathroom floor.

Who takes pictures of the bathroom floor at weird angles. It was like they were taken mistakenly. I think he was taking pictures of something else He was testing out reflective surfaces, he was probably practicing to try to take upskirts using tile floors in buildings.

My thought was he was taking pictures of his dick. Why else have the camera going in the bathroom the area in the bathroom in which the pics were taken are not near the mirror.

Taking pictures of other people in public areas is totally acceptable worldwide as far as I know. It is a violation of what the US calls the right to privacy.

Your husband has substance abuse problems. He has problematic images of people who did not give consent. He has unknown, likely pornographic, non-consensual pictures.

Or why would they be password protected? He has a right to privacy and nobody else does? It's time to talk to a lawyer.

Not a phone call to a therapist or AA. I understand that street photography s perfectly legal. I have no knowledge that he has done anything illegal.

He isn't going to do what you asked. His "attempts" at quitting are just to fool you into staying. How many times have you told him he needs to quit or you'll leave?

If this isn't the first time you have confronted him about his drinking, he knows you won't follow through. Multiple people have told you this is predator behavior, and you are brushing it off because you think it isn't sexual or invasive because the women are fully clothed.

That doesn't matter. You also need to get out of there for your kids. Do you want your children to think that kind of behavior is normal?

What if he has innapropriate photos of them? Is it ethical though? Is it ethical to take a picture of a neighbor? How would you feel if it was your neighbor taking pictures of you?

OP you are putting yourself and your children in danger by threatening to leave and take his children away.

You need to stop talking to him about this and talk to a lawyer. I will heed your advice, thank you. There seems to be a consensus among the comments that this is behavior of a sexual predator.

Because he has taken pictures without their knowledge, that alone is predatory? I understand what everyone is saying, and I agree but I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

There is surprisingly not a lot of info that I can find anyway on the internet about what I have found. I agree with Vernon Geberth, author of Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation, who says not all voyeurs become serial rapists or killers - but all rapists have been involved in window peeping as they criminally evolved.

Nelson says the peeping could be a first step toward something much more dangerous. Also I more commonly meant you were in danger because A when you threaten divorce and custody without legal backing you give your spouse the opportunity to mount a defense against you, move or spend shared finances, et cetera, and B women are at most risk when leaving their husbands.

You have no idea how he might behave if you try to leave, especially considering his alcoholism and disrespect of women. Please arm yourself with resources both legal and abuse advice.

Getting out is dangerous, but just talking about it is dangerous too. Thank you for the links. It may not be the case in your state, but in mine if you choose to stay with your spouse after discovering an affair and continue having sex with them, that affair is no longer grounds for divorce.

You need to see an attorney an arm yourself with knowledge of laws in your location because your husband is going to make threats in an effort to manipulate you into staying.

You obviously have a very dysfunctional relationship, your husband is an alcoholic, and you are in full on denial mode about everything.

What operating system is his computer? It is not as hard as you think to bypass a local password if you have physical access to the computer.

Most easy methods make it obvious someone has removed or changed the password after the fact however.

Maybe look into getting a warrant? He needs to be reported to the police asap. This dude is a sexual predator. Please do not bring children into this unless you are fine with a sexual predator raising your offspring.

I also was at a local swimming pool when I noticed a man, alone, with no swimming stuff taking pictures of the kids playing. At first I thought, he must be with the local newspaper?

Then one second later not feeling right I ran to get a lifeguard. My mistake. I should have called the cops right away. By the time I got back to the area after alerting the lifeguard, the man was gone.

I don't know your husband and I'm not saying he is that type of predator, but how do you know he's not?

You didn't know about these pictures. Before you found them you might have denied that he was the type of man to take creep shots of women.

And it's understandable to deny because people who do these things are very good at hiding their behavior, and we never want to think that those we love are predators.

Most wives of sexual predators never believe that their husbands are "like that", sometimes even after all the evidence is presented.

Again, I don't know all the details and maybe your husband is just the type of predator who keeps files upon files of creep shots of unsuspecting and unconsenting women.

But you might want to ask yourself what is in the files he didn't want you to see. Why was he fishing to know exactly what you did see? What else could he be hiding?

Are you seeing the whole iceberg or is this just the tip of it? My recommendation is you keep your eyes and mind open. Don't make a judgement either way right now, but remember that if your husband is capable of this he might be capable of more.

Fair point. You are right, I had no idea he had voyeuristic tendencies. I even watched that documentary, "The Voyeur's Motel" on Netflix, I believe a few months back and it triggered nothing in me that made me think of my husband.

Like I said, I only found what I'm sure is the tip of the ice berg as he is very secretive. But what I found was nothing overtly sexual per se.

However, I now realize that what I found, even though they aren't nudes, that it absolutely is sexual. Why else do it? Full disclosure. I had an emotional online text affair 7 years ago.

He found out about it and I immediately blocked the guy and have had no contact since. I know I was wrong. He told me he had a crush on me way back when and that I was pretty, and smart, and funny; compliments my husband never gave me.

My husband had already been a nightly get drunk to pass out drinker for years at that point and we rarely spent time together.

I was lonely and got sucked in by the attention. It was wrong and hurt my husband greatly. However, now he is saying what I did years ago is much worse than his creepshots because I had an actual relationship with this person.

If you want to discuss what happened 7 years ago, we can do so another time. We are talking about these pictures I found. Please stop trying to redirect the conversation to something that is not relevant.

I have to ask, do you expect honesty from a sexual predator? Open and vulnerable communication? This is classic manipulation. It sounds like he is refusing to take responsibility for his own life.

This sounds like he is in a really bad place. You are in a destructive and harmful relationship. That doesn't make his behavior any less damaging to the relationship and the family.

You need to leave this guy. You wronged him by having an emotional affair. He's doing wrong by you and plenty of other women by being a creep and taking pictures of all of you.

He likes them because it's wrong and he's doing it without y'all noticing. He's the kind of guy your mother told you not to make eye contact with when out and about.

Please get away from this guy. It is not worse. If anything, it is just as bad, and he could have taken action as in ending the relationship, moving out and he didn't.

That doesn't preclude you from doing anything. I'm concerned his behavior will escalate in time. This is a horrible situation and I wish I had the right advise to give you.

Is it possible he had worse photos on his password protected items? Maybe criminal? Stay strong. Wow you heard stories like this.

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Nelson says the peeping could be a first step toward something much more dangerous. Also I more commonly meant you were in danger because A when you threaten divorce and custody without legal backing you give your spouse the opportunity to mount a defense against you, move or spend shared finances, et cetera, and B women are at most risk when leaving their husbands.

You have no idea how he might behave if you try to leave, especially considering his alcoholism and disrespect of women. Please arm yourself with resources both legal and abuse advice.

Getting out is dangerous, but just talking about it is dangerous too. Thank you for the links. It may not be the case in your state, but in mine if you choose to stay with your spouse after discovering an affair and continue having sex with them, that affair is no longer grounds for divorce.

You need to see an attorney an arm yourself with knowledge of laws in your location because your husband is going to make threats in an effort to manipulate you into staying.

You obviously have a very dysfunctional relationship, your husband is an alcoholic, and you are in full on denial mode about everything. What operating system is his computer?

It is not as hard as you think to bypass a local password if you have physical access to the computer. Most easy methods make it obvious someone has removed or changed the password after the fact however.

Maybe look into getting a warrant? He needs to be reported to the police asap. This dude is a sexual predator. Please do not bring children into this unless you are fine with a sexual predator raising your offspring.

I also was at a local swimming pool when I noticed a man, alone, with no swimming stuff taking pictures of the kids playing.

At first I thought, he must be with the local newspaper? Then one second later not feeling right I ran to get a lifeguard.

My mistake. I should have called the cops right away. By the time I got back to the area after alerting the lifeguard, the man was gone.

I don't know your husband and I'm not saying he is that type of predator, but how do you know he's not? You didn't know about these pictures.

Before you found them you might have denied that he was the type of man to take creep shots of women. And it's understandable to deny because people who do these things are very good at hiding their behavior, and we never want to think that those we love are predators.

Most wives of sexual predators never believe that their husbands are "like that", sometimes even after all the evidence is presented.

Again, I don't know all the details and maybe your husband is just the type of predator who keeps files upon files of creep shots of unsuspecting and unconsenting women.

But you might want to ask yourself what is in the files he didn't want you to see. Why was he fishing to know exactly what you did see?

What else could he be hiding? Are you seeing the whole iceberg or is this just the tip of it? My recommendation is you keep your eyes and mind open.

Don't make a judgement either way right now, but remember that if your husband is capable of this he might be capable of more.

Fair point. You are right, I had no idea he had voyeuristic tendencies. I even watched that documentary, "The Voyeur's Motel" on Netflix, I believe a few months back and it triggered nothing in me that made me think of my husband.

Like I said, I only found what I'm sure is the tip of the ice berg as he is very secretive. But what I found was nothing overtly sexual per se. However, I now realize that what I found, even though they aren't nudes, that it absolutely is sexual.

Why else do it? Full disclosure. I had an emotional online text affair 7 years ago. He found out about it and I immediately blocked the guy and have had no contact since.

I know I was wrong. He told me he had a crush on me way back when and that I was pretty, and smart, and funny; compliments my husband never gave me.

My husband had already been a nightly get drunk to pass out drinker for years at that point and we rarely spent time together.

I was lonely and got sucked in by the attention. It was wrong and hurt my husband greatly. However, now he is saying what I did years ago is much worse than his creepshots because I had an actual relationship with this person.

If you want to discuss what happened 7 years ago, we can do so another time. We are talking about these pictures I found. Please stop trying to redirect the conversation to something that is not relevant.

I have to ask, do you expect honesty from a sexual predator? Open and vulnerable communication? This is classic manipulation.

It sounds like he is refusing to take responsibility for his own life. This sounds like he is in a really bad place. You are in a destructive and harmful relationship.

That doesn't make his behavior any less damaging to the relationship and the family. You need to leave this guy. You wronged him by having an emotional affair.

He's doing wrong by you and plenty of other women by being a creep and taking pictures of all of you. He likes them because it's wrong and he's doing it without y'all noticing.

He's the kind of guy your mother told you not to make eye contact with when out and about. Please get away from this guy. It is not worse.

If anything, it is just as bad, and he could have taken action as in ending the relationship, moving out and he didn't.

That doesn't preclude you from doing anything. I'm concerned his behavior will escalate in time. This is a horrible situation and I wish I had the right advise to give you.

Is it possible he had worse photos on his password protected items? Maybe criminal? Stay strong. Wow you heard stories like this. I had no idea it was a thing.

But then again, who knows what else he has hidden. He sounds like a creepy stalker. I would leave him. He sounds potentially toxic.

Try to get professional help. Honestly, this is really harmless. LOTS of men do this. Many of my friends even. These are corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, salespeople, engineers, and many other types of people.

My friends work in these fields and do this. They just want the thrill of taking a photo of an attractive person without them knowing.

Plain and simple. Omg run. Divorce him. This literally happened to me and when I spoke up about it he was furious I had outed him and he got me so much legal trouble You're just kinkshaming.

He isn't getting off on "stalking prey" or any of that hyperbolic bullshit. He's just taking pictures of a woman he finds attractive to masturbate to later.

Whether you believe thats acceptable or not, that's your business. But it isn't anything more than just taking pictures of somebody he finds attractive.

Just because they're fully clothed doesn't mean they can't be attractive to him. All the commenters making up radical extremist proclamations of "future rapist" are far more creepy than somebody taking a picture.

Because we may not comprehend your husbands behavior but maybe other fellow males would. Not trying to sound sexist or anything, but since your husband is a male maybe a more wider audience would be more helpful, not just a audience of females It's important to protect yourself and your children but also to not live in fear of risks that aren't there or aren't likely.

This is not a new or uncommon fetish. Tbf most people don't come out with fetishes they don't feel comfortable talking about, hell everyone has at least one fetish or fantasy they keep secret out of shame.

Granted he didn't do anything technically illegal I could see how you would be shocked but tbh the bigger thing is the alcoholism. I have a very healthy libido.

However, the aspect of the fantasy or fetish seems to be directly aligned with the woman unaware. A real person, who lives a stones throw from us. That, to me is unexceptable behavior for any man let alone a married man.

The latter is something only sexual predators do. You can have a fetish and even act on it in a safe, sane, and consensual manner.

But he hasn't done anything illegal so how can he be a sexual predator? Is it creepy, sure I guess, but as long as it's not breaking any laws I don't see what the big deal is.

You have zero expectation of privacy in public including pictures, so even if he asked and they said no, legally he's broken no laws, just like paparazzi and Google Earth they don't need your permission to take a pic if it's not being disturbed for commercial use.

Now it would be different if he was saying taking pictures of people in states of undress, or in a bathroom or changing room or at a park taking pictures of little kids.

Anyway, this is a marriage, not a court of law. This behavior is not conducive to a happy and healthy marriage, even without considering the alcoholism.

The alcoholism is the bigger issue as that has a tangible effect on the marriage and the health issues alone are enough to fracture a marriage.

Also by your definition of "sexual predator" that means two consenting adults involved in the kink lifestyle would qualify, as being a Dom and treating your consenting sub as prey is often part of the package.

Granted what he's doing is creepy to the vast majority of people, and if someone is not comfortable with that level of kink it's their right, but to liken it to something like being a sexual predator is a bit hyperbolic imo but to each their own.

Even though none if my fetishes come to this, I'm definitely reminded why I don't speak about them openly and why I'll always have all my stuff password protected snooping isn't healthy in any relationship because that indicates that maybe you're not right for each due to trust issues, but I don't have all the details of their lives so I can't really say, but there's no such thing as "innocent snooping".

People who sexually abuse others and call it kink or BDSM are ruining it for everybody else. I would suggest that you discuss your concerns with a marriage counselor and a family attorney before making a decision.

Good luck with whatever you decide. Took the issue to management and was told it isn't enough evidence to do anything. Glad to know its probably a weird sex thing now.

Question: I was reading another thread in which the OP said she found pictures of herself on her husband's phone that were taken without her awareness nor her consent and one of the comments is " One word: PHRISM.

Google turned up nothing. Anyone know? So my father was arrested for rape and numerous other things about 2 years ago.. Who knows why he has them photos..

And when this applies to your relationship, your massive distrust and heavy judgement of your husband is far more destructive than his shameful little misbehavior.

There must be far more mistrust and apprehension between you than this issue alone. That much is obvious.

LOL that's just typical Rapists behavior" if he's taking pics of other women He's lying To you Behind your back and getting laid by another female!

Look, if you want to solve this without breaking up and leaving him I believe you need to cooperate with him and be his counselor.

Rather than asking ethical questions that will push him into a corner and leave no room to breathe like "what if they did it to your daughter or wife?

You knew about his creepshot fetish for years How would you feel if you knew the guy down the street was hiding in the shrubs and snapping pictures of you routinely when you go for a walk or work in the garden?

I agree. Pose that question to your husband even Would he be upset by that? I can totally understand your desire to not believe the worst of him.

How about talking to a professional about this? Talk to a pro, keep talking to him about it too. Sounds like his alcoholism is the much bigger issue.

Kink relies on consent, which he doesn't have from these women. This is stalking behavior, not just some benign kink.

Just because it isn't against the law doesn't make it ok. There are laws in other countries about this sort of thing. That being said, you do actually have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your front yard.

Feel free to look that up. The pictures over and for like 15 minutes of continuous shots were taken while she was in her front yard and he was near our front door.

He then moved to our back deck and took lots of her in the backyard. Our houses are kind of close together, but this particular neighbor lives two doors down.

By his own logic, that was no big deal then! Haha good point. All he does is scream at me about my emotional affair from 7 years ago when I bring up his behavior.

I know I was wrong and stopped it immediately. Really great point! He actually said I should be flattered. As a guy, not a big deal. No different than women fantasizing over a model having a picture taken by paparazzi while doing everyday things.

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